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Shay Feral
March 6th, 2009, 07:09 AM
There are a few things in my life that takes the pain away from living, thats Furries, Erotica, and Cars...

I personally am a Muscle Car fanatic, by definition a Muscle Car is a Mid size and full size sedans with a high performance engine from the 60's and 70's. Meaning technically that Camaro, Firebird, Mustang, and Corvette are not muscle cars but in fact sports cars.

There is nothing else I would rather own than a classic American Muscle Car, I have owned a few myself, none were of good condition so dont assume I have money :P

I have driven many cars, ridden in many cars and I tell you, nothing beats a muscle car. And to top it all off, when it comes to performance a muscle car is still king of the road and will remain king until we find something else than cars to get us from point a to b.

The stereotype of low gas mileage is exactly that, and over generalized stereotype. Certainly your not going to get far on a gallon of gas from a 450 HP Chevrolet 454 big block. But muscle cars without the biggest and baddest engines get surprisingly good gas mileage if driven and maintained correctly.

I have a 74 Chevelle myself, it's a Malibu Classic trim package and it rides like a top end Cadillac. The original 400 small block was sturdy and had some torque, a 2 barrel setup and single exhaust. The torque of the 400 ci engine made up for the lack of horsepower... 180 hp factory...

Weiging in at close to 5,000 lbs, the car could climb a hill like it was nothing and cruising the internstate wasn't so hard on the engine if you kept it at speed limit *65 mph for best milage* (which almost no one does)

The car originally got 15 mpg when I first purchased the car, started running premium and the car got 18 mpg. An ignition upgrade, an MSD system, bumped the car up to 20 mpg with a noticable increase in performance.

Then a duel exhaust system, which allowed the choked up 400 to breathe a little more freely added more performance and roughly another 2 mpg. With about $400 I took a 15 mpg, 180 hp car to a 22 mpg 210 hp (rough estimate) car. I believe I could have got 25 mpg highway out of that 400 with a nice rebuild, 4bbl conversion, hotter ignition and lighter rims.

I had upgraded the car again, dropping a 350 hp 350 ci small block under the hood of my Chevelle. And I had problems with that engine from day one with oil leaks, then into a broken oil ring, fuel pressure issues (12 lbs of fuel pressure at idle, causes problems with holly carbs) and finally a bearing went out. But not before laying waste to a 96 mustang gt, and an 88 firebird.

The engine had no low end torque, but drop the hammer at 35 in first gear and your doing 60 before you know it. The car topped out at 120 mph, ran out of gear to push the car.

I love my Chevelle, but it's not exactly my favorite car. But not far off actually...

I'd love to have a 1970 SS Chevelle 454 (LS6), I'd say it's the most powerful sedan ever built. Cranking out 450 hp and 500 tq... I'd love to have one in hugger orange, w/black stripes and a black vinyl top. But these cars are becoming rare, especially here in WV. These cars if originial and in good condition can fetch between 60k - 130k

But one could be built to spec for about 20K not inculding purchase of chassis. But just building to a custom spec is usually MUCH cheaper.

another car I'd love to have is a 1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda. A car built so the cuda could be used in the scca, it's severly lacking in power in compairson to the Hemi and 440 Magnum models. But the AAR would take a much harder corner at a higher pace than it's bigger siblings.

Cody Howl
March 6th, 2009, 10:26 AM
A friend learned to drive in both a '69 Buick Riveria GS with a 430 and TH400(W/shift kit) and a '70 chrysler wagon with-get this-A 440 from a police car. full tow package-meaning posi differential, heavy duty sway bars and oversized radiator. Both of those cars were amazingly fast. the buick could do 130+, the wagon not much less.

IMHO, Chrysler made the best big block engines. Smoothe, torquey and tough.the only weakness being the timing chain(an easy fix). In thier day, they often dominated the racetrack. Thier auto transmissions weren't bad either, the 727 being pretty damn tough, and not as heavy as a TH400.

My boss at the first shop I worked at was only a few years older than me. Some of his friends made a lot of money in the tech sector, and bought thier dream cars, and I got to work on them.
A daytona orange Plymouth Super Bee, 383 with 4 speed-AWESOME. Same with the Road Runner! A lovely black Challenger 340/six pack-auto w/ shift kit, posi-all good stuff.
An original Boss 302 'Stang-quicker than I thought it would be, and an unruly early Camaro w/302-some kind of race homoligation model.
I drove them all, and loved them! These weren't rust buckets, they were either very nice originals or restorations.

It's so much nicer when it's someone elses car, you get paid to work on it and drive it as well.

Shay Feral
March 6th, 2009, 12:02 PM
I wouldn't mind having a nice Hemi challenger myself, or a 71 Road Runner 440. I think the 71 body style of the Road Runner (famous for Daisy's yellow car in the Dukes of Hazzard) is a beautiful bodystyle. Muscular yet sporty in design...

And out of all the Dodge Chargers, apart from the 69 and 70 models, I'd take a 71 - 74 model as well. The 71 superbee is a beautiful ride...

Cody Howl
March 6th, 2009, 06:07 PM
I wouldn't go with an old Hemi, I'd try to get one of the new ones. The old engine really never worked that well on newer pump fuels, and a nicely built wedge engine will make as much power at a lower cost.

My friend and I built a 383 and used 440 maxwedge heads(bigger ports & valves). We alsu used TRW forged Hi compression pistons, and did this totally as cheaply as possible, I can't remember which cam we used, just an RV cam, lots of torque.
The car was a '65 or so Fury, I think, A 2 door. We pulled out the 318 and 904 trans and put in the 440 w/ the 727. We also picked up a posi rear end from a junkyard. Some cheap ass headers rounded it out. He found some cragar mags at a garage sale, and the tires were still ok.
That car went toghether easier than I imagined. It also went like hell, and did burnouts way too easily(The 10 year old tires were rock hard!). That thing's long gone now..

seth baxter
March 6th, 2009, 08:06 PM
Actually Shay, the sedans are luxury and family sedans, cameros are muscle cars, and a sports car is the ferrari, lambhorgini, and a few others, such as the skyline and such, I work for a local racestrip, and classifying cars is my job, Muscle cars are the classic mustangs and such, they are by far sports cars.

Shay Feral
March 7th, 2009, 12:47 AM
Actually Shay, the sedans are luxury and family sedans, cameros are muscle cars, and a sports car is the ferrari, lambhorgini, and a few others, such as the skyline and such, I work for a local racestrip, and classifying cars is my job, Muscle cars are the classic mustangs and such, they are by far sports cars.

You've been classifying your vehicles wrong...

You can take a 1970 Camaro, 1970 Corvette, 1970 Plymouth Cuda, 1970 Dodge Challenger, 2006 Corvette, Dodge Viper, and certain Ferrari's and get something in common... If you set them all side by side and did a comparison you will notice that the cab of each vehicle sites further back from the front wheels than a Skyline... Generally, besides the corvette, these cars listed are considered sports coupes... Which is a sports car variant...

What makes people believe that all these 70's model vehicles, muscle cars, is the fact that each one has a big block option that breaks 400 HP or more. The 70 Camaro generally known for it's 427, Corvette has the same LS6 option as the Chevelle, Cuda and Challenger has the Hemi and 440 magnum options...

A Chevelle is a hard top, also listed as a sports coupe and a sedan because of it's various performance options. From a tame Malibu, to the wild and wonderful Super Sport package...

But if you stripped each car of it's performance package and did only an evaluation of the body and frame you'd find that Camaro, Corvette, Cuda, Challenger, Firebird and Mustangs are sports coupes and cars like the Chevelle/Malibu are sedans.

The reason why these cars fall under muscle car, for the biggest reason is because people have forgotton what a true muscle car is about. To have a true Muscle Car, you have to have a powerful engine under the hood. Without that, the car falls to it's base style.

Take a Chevelle for instance, if it werent for the Super Sport package with the 375 horse 396 big block, or 385 horse 454, or 450 horse 454 big block options the Chevelle wouldn't be considered a muscle car. You just cant grab a 6 cyl '69 Camaro and consider it a muscle car...

And to inform you, a Skyline is technically not a sports car because of two reasons. 1. Being that it's AWD, 2. the cab position is of something like a 2dr sedan...