New Roleplay Boards Format!

[kcoar]

Greetings furs!

As of recent, we have completely overhauled the roleplay boards. Allow me to help explain the new roleplay system!

We still have a distinct separation between Yiffy and Non-Yiffy as well as Sign Ups and OOC Talk, Reservations and Non-Reservations. But on top off that we have 2 brand new features.

I'm pleased to announce that the administrators have added the Beginners and Advanced section for both kinds of roleplay!

The beginners section is intended for new roleplayers and other roleplayers who want to engage in roleplays in a more relaxing environment. Post count is TURNED OFF in the beginners section for both roleplay sections. We want our members' post counts to reflect on good, well thought out posts and not "walks over to the newcomer".

Within the beginners roleplay board is the Boot Camp! Both yiffy and non-yiffy, roleplayers of all skill levels are encouraged to come and post within to help newer roleplayers and boost the general skill level of their own roleplays.

Again, since it is in the beginners section, post count isn't rewarded here.

And finally, we have the Advanced Roleplay Sections (both yiffy and non-yiffy). Threads made here are expected to be of a superior quality. More than one paragraph is expected to be written. Spelling and grammar must be accurate as well. We will be watching these sections very closely and moving any beginner quality posts to the proper section. If you feel it was unjustly moved, please PM any of the moderators in charge (listed below at the bottom of the forum) for inquiries as to why your roleplay was moved. Do NOT post complaints about thread moving here.

On the other hand, if you guys would like to help in the new system's process, you can send PMs to Idesin, Chrissybutt, Fox-Hound, and myself with links to advanced roleplays.

This is a brand new feature added for your convenience and the betterment of the roleplay community of Furry-to-Furry. Please hang tight as we make the proper adjustments.

Thank you for your cooperation! This thread will be left open for feedback :)

~kcoar

Edit: In addition, the Games forum have also lost count.

So in total, Beginner's Yiffy Roleplay, Beginner's Non Yiffy Roleplay (and their subsections) and games will have post count TURNED OFF.

[Equium]

Just so we know... when does one qualify as an "advanced" RPer? OR is it defined as the RP itself being advanced rather than the roleplayers therein?

[kcoar]

It's dependent on the roleplay itself. Of course, you cannot have an advanced rp without advanced roleplayers.

Basically if the entire thread is "kcoar grabs a drink and sips it while looking at Equium" and "Equium drags WolfSpawn off his barstool to go dance", then that's beginner.

[Silver Renard]

I'll just stay on my messengers for my roleplays. Anyone is welcome to come and talk to me there. I do my roleplays for the enjoyment of those involved. I really don't care if you consider me a "beginner" or "advanced" or "expert" roleplayer, and I don't feel that one line entries are necessarily "weak posts". But whatever. It's not my call. As I said, I'll just meet furs here and if they want to rp, then they can join me on a messenger.

[kcoar]

We're not trying to put the beginner or advanced roleplayers down. We're simply trying to give merit to those who take the time to make established storylines. It has nothing to do about the person involved. We don't slap BEGINNER on everyones profile.

We judge the roleplays, not the players.

[Liavain Axon]

I'll just stay on my messengers for my roleplays. Anyone is welcome to come and talk to me there. I do my roleplays for the enjoyment of those involved. I really don't care if you consider me a "beginner" or "advanced" or "expert" roleplayer, and I don't feel that one line entries are necessarily "weak posts". But whatever. It's not my call. As I said, I'll just meet furs here and if they want to rp, then they can join me on a messenger.

One-line posts are considered "beginner" roleplays because they -belong- on messangers or chatrooms. On a forum such as this one you have the capacity to let your imagination flow to create epic stories. It's quite frankly painful for me to read pages and pages of one-liners. I like reading well thought-out posts that excite my imagination.

The roleplays here are on a public forum. As such you will have a lot of varied skill levels when it comes to RPs. A lot of us have asked for better RPs to read and participate in, this is a way for those who want to read or create more substance to be rewarded.

[BadgerStripes]

I really like the way the RP boards are setup. The separation between beginner and advanced RPs is a wonderful idea. I do both and try to use the IM style Rps to work on saying alot in just a few words or to get alot of RPing done in a short time, but most of the time I write paragraphs for my RPs and few things are more frustrating that spending hours on a page long post only to get a line or two in return. I think it will also help with people being able to choose what they want to read, whether they like their RPs in nibbles or in bites. I think the new way for set is a good idea.

Will the OOC area be an area for OOC discussion of RP's or more of a general discussion area?

[kcoar]

Here's an example of posts that generally belong in the advanced and beginner section

James walked into the bathroom, looking around for an empty stall. He opened one stall door, and found himself face-to-face with a rabbit.

"Oh! Sorry!" he said, and quickly shut the door. "You may want to lock the door next time!" he called through the door, as he made his way down to an empty stall.

This isn't a BAD post at all. It's short, concise and easy to follow. It's open enough that a newer roleplayer or a more relaxed roleplayer doesn't feel daunted by his surroundings and can take the roleplay in a direction THEY are comfortable with.

Feran sat almost motionless, the scope of his rifle pressed against his eye. A feline mutant, his piebald black fur matching the crudely dyed camouflage on his clothing. The original patterns of the combat gear are almost visible amongst the harsh white and black lines.
The barrel protrudes from an upstairs window of an abandoned high-rise, chosen for it's commanding views over the nearby streets. It slowly pans back and forth, Feran's boots echoing the motion by creating new scuff-marks in the thick dust. He was watching for ferals, mutants for whom the changes in their body had been the visible signs of changes to their brain, which robbed them of little sanity remained to an inhabitant of this wasteland. While ferals alone were not much of a threat, their movements could be used to predict the movements of more deadly creatures, so they served their purpose to those with brains left.

A hint of motion registered in the corner of Feran's eye, and he slid the rifle around for a better look. At first he thought a feral had arrived, but he saw this was not the case. The fox moved with a purpose most ferals were lacking, and besides, the gun in his hand marked him as an obvious tool user.
Normally, Feran wouldn't have given the time of day to a passing traveller, but today wasn't normal. His supply of ammo was dwindling, and maybe this guy knew the location of a caravan. Or had some himself, either way.
Feran stowed his rifle, slung his discarded backpack over his shoulders, and began the descent from his perch.

Here's an advanced reply. Multiple actions are going on at once. It's descriptive, you get a slight insight on the character, etc.

These are just examples. They're not the best, but they're definitely examples to follow.

I really like the way the RP boards are setup. The separation between beginner and advanced RPs is a wonderful idea. I do both and try to use the IM style Rps to work on saying alot in just a few words or to get alot of RPing done in a short time, but most of the time I write paragraphs for my RPs and few things are more frustrating that spending hours on a page long post only to get a line or two in return. I think it will also help with people being able to choose what they want to read, whether they like their RPs in nibbles or in bites. I think the new way for set is a good idea.

Will the OOC area be an area for OOC discussion of RP's or more of a general discussion area?

The OOC area is designated for sign-ups, plot discussion and anything that would romally require an ((OOC)) tag in a roleplay :]

[Liavain Axon]

The main RP forums (not reservations) do not have typical "signup" areas because it is an open forum. Signups would be proper in the (Reserved) forums. You can still discuss your RPs and characters there, but asking people to signup for an RP in the "open" area is slightly absurd.

Nested inside the (Reserved) forums is the typical "Signups/OOC" area for that forum. That is why the titles are slightly different.

[SqualoHaifisch]

This is so awesome I just jizzed in my pants.

Just to clarify though, what if there are long posts in an RP, but they have a lot of grammar issues? (typos, shifts in tenses, incoherent, etc.) It seems that would quaify as more begginer level... I can understand the occaisional then/than or there/their substitutions but run-on sentances the size of paragraphs themselves seem somewhat ridiculus (I have actually seen this sort of things on other RP boards)

[Liavain Axon]

Just to clarify though, what if there are long posts in an RP, but they have a lot of grammar issues? (typos, shifts in tenses, incoherent, etc.) It seems that would quaify as more begginer level... I can understand the occaisional then/than or there/their substitutions but run-on sentances the size of paragraphs themselves seem somewhat ridiculus (I have actually seen this sort of things on other RP boards)

Proper spelling/grammar are the biggest qualifiers for the Advanced boards. Punctuation and formatting of text into correct paragraphs are also important. (Just slightly less so) For a post to be advanced, it has to look like it would belong in a book or an essay.

[Daelyhel Axon]

But please do not become and English Major Grammer Nazzi on their butts. If they have made some simple and little mistakes that are normal within society, do not break their balls over it. But...

if i start talking like dis in da thread and do not care about placing any form of grammer or periods and cammas and simicolans and such then you have a reason to report the post.

Please do not break my balls over that, It was an Example!!! :P

[Fallen]

if i start talking like dis in da thread and do not care about placing any form of grammer or periods and cammas and simicolans and such then you have a reason to report the post.

Please do not break my balls over that, It was an Example!!! :P

I don't see any difference between that and the way you usually type Dael? Why would I break your balls over that? :P

[MoonSugah]

you know i really dont see how this helps anyone but the mods, cause every one i talk to dont read read the rp's. sorry but really most people unless they are involved around here just dont do it.

it is a exciting idea because i enjoy rp-ing with semi para to paragragh rp. there are few furs here that respond in those ways and the furs that are interested want to do long term rp-s. i don't do long term campaigns,because they just dont keep my interest long enough. another problem is my personal writing style tends to bother people that dont know me, because i really hate capital letters. I am trying to work on it but it still reflects in my writings.

so i guess you wont ever see me in the advanced boards, shame i will not get credits for posts but i am not changing my writing style to please the mods..that only person that should matter to is the person i am rp-ing with.

so i guess i just got mixed feelings about this just when i was preparing my first long term rp..

[Liavain Axon]

You are RPing on a public forum. We want to reward those who go above and beyond typical RPs. I'm sorry if you have issues with the English Language, but most of us do not. Pick up a book, and you would not see the horrible formatting and butchering of the English language that is common on the RP boards.

I'm sorry if you prefer to RP like you are in a chat room or IM program. We are a forum with a 10k character limit per post. We pay for bandwith and unless you donate regularly, you don't. If we decide we don't want "spammy" posts in certain areas, we have the right to do so for the enjoyment and betterment of everyone.

You do not have to move to the Advanced boards if you don't want to, but it makes it unfair to those who want quality RPs to "take a chance" and RP on the regular forums. It's simply a seperation of styles and quality.

[MoonSugah]

lia there is no reason for you talk down on others because they dont agree with your ideas. i expressed my displeasure, but some points i will make.

1. i don't need for you to tell me the obvious. i know that i don't have to move, and to date i have probably read more books then are in your local library.

2. do not think that you know me, because of the style i choose in write in. e.e. cummings also chooses this very same style.

3. everyone here knows that f2f pays for bandwidth.

4. i was here on f2f long before the catacysm that changed our boards, and lost us many great rp-ers,

but regardless of those things... you have no right even as a mod or administer to disrespect me or anyone else on these boards.

I have always treated every one here with respect and i will accept no less.

[Daelyhel Axon]

MoonSugah, excuse Lia's words as she felt the words used was more of an insult from yourself as well. When I read your words, I took it the same. Mostly the first statement that this was directed to make the Mods Life Easier. Also on the aspects of books, please understand Lia understands the love of books and other literature as she is an English Major. As can be said of other notable members and members of the team. But I will regress.

In true reality, this is not about the mods at all, this is and has been something the members of the boards have been requested. Many very old members that have been part of this site long before the crash and burn we went through has been seeking this action. Which happened around April of 2007... Unless you were known as a different name, you are not familiar to myself and several other older role-players. I use to be very strong and known when it came to Role-playing. As well would make sure that in my rps that I would stress to give a story and feel of the events transpiring. From ones breath, to the smell within the air, the ideas flowing in ones mind, and other simple things that give one a strong experience. But that is not the point that needs to be stressed.

Many members have been requesting a way to break apart those members that wish to have long drawn out roleplays and those that turn into short post. They want those that are willing to return the same effort they make within a post to themselves. That is what we are trying to do for them.

Another reason we are removing the post is in consideration to several members that have expressed concerns and have been thoroughly upset by members that come within a post. Make a huge deal over their post count, that the information that they give should be accepted. When their information is rejected and proven wrong, it goes back once again towards post counts.

Critical reason is that Furry to Furry is an Adult Furry Community. It is for community to get together, discussion events, issues and lifestyles. Role-playing and game aspects is more of side events to help keep the community entertained and have another aspect of socal events to get to know one another. But these areas also keep members from discussing and getting into the community as a whole. As well making the only reason for their being is to make their EP Larger from Post Counts and Yiffy Roleplaying for their sexual needs.

We are wanting and trying to get more of these members to step out and get to be part of the community as a whole than just a side aspects of Yiff Alone. We want to get to know them and their personalities. For all hopes and luck, who knows, they may just find the person they have been seeking in Yiffy RPs. Never know...

Finally as to respect and treated, forgive me if I personally see that she matched what you said. When it comes to respect, a baseline is always given. But one key rule that has always been part of the internet, forums, and community as a whole is ones representation of themselves in the way they speak/type.

I have worked with several members that their first language was not English. As one desires and wishes to learn, we are more than welcome as many other members have been willing to assist.

I hope this will explain reasons the words that was used have been spoken and the emotions and feelings of the community desire for this change.

[MoonSugah]

dea i will apolize as well. It was brought to me attantion that i may have took it wrong, and yes i was here then but they couldnt access my account after the crash. but the board wouldnt take my old name either. I talked about this with rrruff a while back ((almost 2 years))... when i came back. but i was Mochakatt then... i still had a aversion to capitals.

I understand that members ask for it..but if those members aren't reading the forums this was still pointless other then to segregate members. But that is another agruement. but the point i was making was that when i log on i read forums... and i ask another members whatt hey think.. i am getting.. "oh i didn't bother to read it". really it wasnt ment as a insult but you guys have to read the boards. everyone else seems to only read the threads they are in, and some of them dont read those.

[Daelyhel Axon]

That is the scary part are those that do not even read what is going on. Scaring it how so many have come to the point of just not caring...

The scary part is those that do not care will not care in the future. But sadly this is just one way to at least get those that request and desire serious role-players to get together and enjoy themselves. Sadly one of the reason the quality open RPs basically disappeared as well. This will atleast give them a chance to have life again.

We know that this is a shot into the darkness, but it is a shot we must try and take to see if we can get the community to assist and make a difference.

Yes it may be different for the team because we basically read everything around the boards and so many do not. But we have to try something, to do nothing will solve nothing.

[MoonSugah]

Yes it may be different for the team because we basically read everything around the boards and so many do not. But we have to try something, to do nothing will solve nothing.


AGREED!! maybe one day i will start enjoying capitals and join ya...but GAH!!!!! i have hated the horrible creatures since kindergarden.

[Studley Destiny]

Questions:
- Have all of the existing threads been put in to the beginners sections then?
- If we have a thread we feel would fit in advanced, does it matter which moderator we PM the move request to?
- Should I crawl back into the dark space under my bed and work on a contest story instead of asking this?

BTW: Overall, I think it's a good idea. I always thought the 'versus ...' and counting threads were a silly way to get your post count up. (And yes, I have posted in them, and no, I really did not/do not care if they affect my post count.)

[kcoar]

Questions:
- Have all of the existing threads been put in to the beginners sections then?
- If we have a thread we feel would fit in advanced, does it matter which moderator we PM the move request to?
- Should I crawl back into the dark space under my bed and work on a contest story instead of asking this?

BTW: Overall, I think it's a good idea. I always thought the 'versus ...' and counting threads were a silly way to get your post count up. (And yes, I have posted in them, and no, I really did not/do not care if they affect my post count.)

All very valid questions Mr. Destiny. I'll be happy to assist.

1. Yes and no. We changed the old RP board to beginners and created an advanced board. So by default, yes, all yiffy roleplays are in the beginner section unless otherwise moved. We're working constantly to make the move.
2. It doesn't matter. I highly suggest chrissybutt as she is that section's official moderator. I'm also willing to make the move for you. You could also ask Fox hound or Howlinger, however Howlinger at the moment is on a mini-vacation.
3. Maybe >_>

[folix]

Post count is TURNED OFF in the beginners section for both roleplay sections. We want our members' post counts to reflect on good, well thought out posts and not "walks over to the newcomer".

Again, since it is in the beginners section, post count isn't rewarded here.

Edit: In addition, the Games forum have also lost count.

So in total, Beginner's Yiffy Roleplay, Beginner's Non Yiffy Roleplay (and their subsections) and games will have post count TURNED OFF.


You are RPing on a public forum. We want to reward those who go above and beyond typical RPs.



I see the benefit with your post count policy on the game threads, however I feel like your spitting on me as a role player. From my Software Engineering background, the post count is only a statistic. It not there to judge people on what they post. You have a system in place for rewarding long and good posts. You call it reputation. When I make a post and the number doesn't increase, it’s like saying "I'm sorry but F2F thinks that your post is worthless".

I believe that the furry fandom is one of the most accepting groups, but your new system is excluding a large number of Role Players. Just because they don't meet your personal expectations of how other should post, doesn't give you the right to exclude them by not counting their posts.

If you’re trying to encourage long and detailed posts, then you’re doing it the wrong way. As I'm becoming a Software Engineer, here is my suggestion on how to solve this issue. Rather than blocking a basic statistic, add a new one. Add a validation check on submission that will check the length of the post and increment a new static, like "Power Posts".

To give you a different view of this, here is an example. Let’s say that you have a group of people. Everyone is allowed to go to the good schools and such, but then you take their rights away and say that the good schools are only for people that meet a given profile. It’s not a reward system if you take away a standard privilege and then offer it back if they are good.

I personally thought that F2F was above discrimination.

I am happy to be a part of F2F. That is why I’ve given you my view point, the problem I see with the policy, and a solution that will meet the needs of both view points.

[spikes]

I see the benefit with your post count policy on the game threads, however I feel like your spitting on me as a role player. From my Software Engineering background, the post count is only a statistic. It not there to judge people on what they post. You have a system in place for rewarding long and good posts. You call it reputation. When I make a post and the number doesn't increase, it’s like saying "I'm sorry but F2F thinks that your post is worthless".

To give you a different view of this, here is an example. Let’s say that you have a group of people. Everyone is allowed to go to the good schools and such, but then you take their rights away and say that the good schools are only for people that meet a given profile. It’s not a reward system if you take away a standard privilege and then offer it back if they are good.

I personally thought that F2F was above discrimination.

i agree with folix to a degree. while yes it does feel like we are being left out its just that there is already a system for good and bad posts. while a good post in most furs eyes is a huge story per post, i still see good in small posts of only a couple sentences.

im sure there are times when even the best role player feels unable to give his/her best. its all a matter of judgement. while i do see the good in the splitting of the rp area, i do note that there can be a few ideas that you and others should consider.

keep the new changes but make modifications to make it less descriminating. turn post count on for the beginners, because lets face it. if there is no post count and a newbie wishes to get his post count AND his rp skills up to par, then he would be stuck in beginners till they would give up. there is also the fact that while yes it is good for the seperation, i (in my openion.) see this as a way to give everyone what they want.

keep the new boards and simply look in advanced if you want a big story in each post. and if you want fast oneliners then go to beginners.

[Studley Destiny]

A thought on the issue of post counts; provide the statistics by area: Social, Games, Beginner non-Yiffy, Advanced non-Yiffy, ...

Then have a weighted calculation for total posts. Let people see the weight calculation unless they look at the statistics tab for the user, then show the counts by category.

As for the weighting, there you can let your preferences be known. As an example:
Social - 5/post
Games - .5/post
Beginners RPs - 1/post
Advanced RPs - 3/post

It's a thought anyway.

[rant on]
I'm sure that this change will provide many weeks of teeth gnashing, feet stomping, and general discussions bordering on emotional explosions. However, it's a place to exchange ideas, to meet and tell stories. And these changes have no affect on that, so maybe everyone should just relax a bit, and continue to enjoy F2F!
[/rant off]

[Daelyhel Axon]

I see the benefit with your post count policy on the game threads, however I feel like your spitting on me as a role player. From my Software Engineering background, the post count is only a statistic. It not there to judge people on what they post. You have a system in place for rewarding long and good posts. You call it reputation. When I make a post and the number doesn't increase, it’s like saying "I'm sorry but F2F thinks that your post is worthless".

I believe that the furry fandom is one of the most accepting groups, but your new system is excluding a large number of Role Players. Just because they don't meet your personal expectations of how other should post, doesn't give you the right to exclude them by not counting their posts.

If you’re trying to encourage long and detailed posts, then you’re doing it the wrong way. As I'm becoming a Software Engineer, here is my suggestion on how to solve this issue. Rather than blocking a basic statistic, add a new one. Add a validation check on submission that will check the length of the post and increment a new static, like "Power Posts".

To give you a different view of this, here is an example. Let’s say that you have a group of people. Everyone is allowed to go to the good schools and such, but then you take their rights away and say that the good schools are only for people that meet a given profile. It’s not a reward system if you take away a standard privilege and then offer it back if they are good.

I personally thought that F2F was above discrimination.

I am happy to be a part of F2F. That is why I’ve given you my view point, the problem I see with the policy, and a solution that will meet the needs of both view points.

A thought on the issue of post counts; provide the statistics by area: Social, Games, Beginner non-Yiffy, Advanced non-Yiffy, ...

Then have a weighted calculation for total posts. Let people see the weight calculation unless they look at the statistics tab for the user, then show the counts by category.

As for the weighting, there you can let your preferences be known. As an example:
Social - 5/post
Games - .5/post
Beginners RPs - 1/post
Advanced RPs - 3/post

It's a thought anyway.

[rant on]
I'm sure that this change will provide many weeks of teeth gnashing, feet stomping, and general discussions bordering on emotional explosions. However, it's a place to exchange ideas, to meet and tell stories. And these changes have no affect on that, so maybe everyone should just relax a bit, and continue to enjoy F2F!
[/rant off]

Right now, the only "hack", program altering scripts that work off of the VBulliten codex, that would allow us to make posts count past a certain level of characters and such, as well a way to make posts count in smaller amounts, is out of date. The last hack was made for 2.5 Version of Vbulliten. We are well over 3.6 in Version and is no longer compatible. It is something we considered first and formost. But as we looked into it, we could not have this system put into place.

Only other thing would making the Admin and Mod team read every post and give them a post count... Um... Considering how many posts are made there very day... *Shakes my head* We would get even farther behind than anything else.

This is why we are going with this system until we can get a "Hack" script to do what we desire.

As to the Rep System, there are issues that are going on to remove the current rep system. In the near future, that will no longer be there. But because we are dealing with other issues with the server at this point in time, we can not get it removed as we would desire it to be.

Please understand we are not trying to say that roleplaying can not be done in a detail and honestly enjoyable read with smaller posts. But those are also the far manority of the posts as well to be honest. Most of what we are seeing is not even that... If you would like me to provide links to some roleplays that have made my own personal eyes bleed from reading, I can.

Yes I know we all have personal preferences and such... But let me give an example of what we are trying to do... Simple caressing of your lovers cheek...

Daelyhel smirks as he looks within Liavain's eyes. Lifting his paw and brushing the fur off her cheeks before kissing her.

Simple... Nice and to the point... But also leaves a lot out personally...

Daelyhel can not help but smirk as he looks deep within Liavain's deep blue eyes. Glimmering within the candle light, turning to look at his paw as he lifts it to her cheek. Feeling his paw caress and cradling her cheek, brushing the hair covering he eyes with his thumb. The beat of his heart begins to race, feeling every beat becoming stronger. Just as his lovers breath grows deeper just before their lips press against one another. Closing his eyes, as the warmth and glow flows across his muzzle feeling his lovers embrace.

That would personally be allowed within Advance RP... I personally can take this even farther and only took me maybe... 3 mins max to personally type up. It is all about thinking of simple things that are taken for granted in majority of RPs that are taking place. Body Language is 80% of our language even when speaking. Use it, you might like the difference.



Also when it comes to post count, there are other areas of the boards to raise your post count. Not just Role-playing. WE, all of us, are a community of Furs. A community requires and needs those that are within it to Discuss events and aspects within their lives. Not just to be locked up within their bedroom 24 hours a day. Yes it is very enjoyable to do so, please do not get me wrong on those points. But even within a relationship, there are times you communicate with your lover. Be it over food or in a bath together. There comes a time you have to go out of your home as well. That is what we are hoping, to get some of ya'll to step out and let us get to know you more.


Finally... Be glad I did not get my wish on this... That was to remove the Post Count COMPLETELY from the system. Then it will be based on your Reputation most of all. But there are mechanics that gets involved that needs to be maintained... *Mumbles*

[Equium]

Finally... Be glad I did not get my wish on this... That was to remove the Post Count COMPLETELY from the system. Then it will be based on your Reputation most of all. But there are mechanics that gets involved that needs to be maintained... *Mumbles*

Thank goodness that didn't come into effect, Daelyhel Lenin. :lol:

[folix]

Right now, the only "hack", program altering scripts that work off of the VBulliten codex, that would allow us to make posts count past a certain level of characters and such, as well a way to make posts count in smaller amounts, is out of date. The last hack was made for 2.5 Version of Vbulliten. We are well over 3.6 in Version and is no longer compatible. It is something we considered first and formost. But as we looked into it, we could not have this system put into place.


This sounds like your not privately hosting the site, which is fine. Please post a link to the form software, and the company your hosting from. I want to talk a look at it myself.

[Daelyhel Axon]

Thank goodness that didn't come into effect, Daelyhel Lenin. :lol:
Scared to lose all those counted posts? :twisted: Come now... we are not here for our EPs are we?! :whistle:




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[Liavain Axon]

This sounds like your not privately hosting the site, which is fine. Please post a link to the form software, and the company your hosting from. I want to talk a look at it myself.

We are hosting the site privately, with The Planet. If the server crashes, it is either Rrruff or myself that have to pick up the pieces. We take care of all the day-to-day server operations. However, are running a specific messageboard software and are limited in what we can do within the software. As Daelyhel said, our software is Vbulletin (http://www.vbulletin.com/).

[Idesin]

Hey, Ide here. Just to make one thing clear.

It's not only post length, but story. What were trying to do is to encourage RP's like the ones we had here way back before the real big crash a few years ago. You know, ones which were almost like a D+D campain? Or a romantic Novel, or something like that. Something that others would WANT to read, that could easily be changed into a book. So if you have short posts from time to time in order to let your parners in to let the story develop, thats allright, long as there is a good story.

I'll be putting some old RP's that were worthy in the book-case so you can see what I'm talking about.

[Zidders]

Just seems to me that you're putting in a system that relies entirely upon the mods view of what 'good' rp is, and what 'bad' rp is...and at the same time, nuking 'beginner' post counts. What about just letting the people within the posts that are rp'ing together decide wether they like the style of the people they're posting with.

If you host an open thread and you don't like the way someone rp's in that thread, then you have an oppurtunity to talk to them and maybe let them know how you feel, ask them if maybe they can't give a little bit more or find out why they can only post so much/so often.

I don't know, I just look at the place that the forums have become and I feel that because certain people are trying to skirt away from certain story topics based on fear and because some folks seem to want to only accept the 'nice' parts of the fur fandom and pretend that the other parts of it don't exists, that the creativity and freedom that I saw when I first came here to this site are swiftly dissapearing.

I don't care what anyone thinks about my rp style. I've been writing stories and roleplaying since the mid eighties...yet I don't think my style and skill is any better or worse than anyone elses. I look at each roleplayer differently, and not everyone that appears to be a beginner IS one. What about people for whom english is a second language? I rp'd here with someone who might not have had a grasp of the english language but who managed to convey the spirit of what they were saying incredibly well.

I haven't been posting to f2f much anymore because I really haven't liked most of the changed. I've understood some of them, but I still think this is kinda a bit uneccasary.

[Daelyhel Axon]

Zidders I understand you personal feelings and I am sorry that you have felt this way.

The members of the boards do have that power. The ability to rate posts that they like and that will always be taken within consideration.

We are not trying to be harsh when it comes to this, If you think we need to Rename the Forums from Beginners and Advance, that is wonderful.

But the problem we are having are members disappearing into the RP forums and game forums for their 15 posts and more so within a short period of them. Then coming to other parts of the forum and feeling better than some members that have been on the boards for far longer periods of time, and only post quality posts and have a far smaller number of posts. This has happened several times and have many conflicts that the Mods and Admins are called in to take care of and pull together to fix.

As to Rape, it has never been allowed by the rules on F2F, just we have been enforcing them. If yourself or any other members like to make a Vent on why it should be allowed and the members make a strong enough voice, than it might be a possibility. But when it comes to minor characters.... We have to do what we must for the protection of the members of the site and it's team.

Zidders, if you like to talk more over this, please PM me or IM me. I would like to discuss more and hear your opinion a bit more.

I do hope what I explain is why we are doing things. Once again, if a simple rename is what is needed then fine...

Even something simple as Easy Going Roleplaying and Serious Roleplaying.

[Hawkflight]

EDIT 2: Here's an idea. Turn the post count back on in the Beginner's threads and remove "Beginner's" from the name. That way, we don't feel like we're being spat on, yet still have a way to reward RPs of a higher caliber.

P.S.: I must question your proposal to remove the rep system. Many of us have worked hard to get our rep up to where it is, we don't deserve to be punished by having all that thrown away.

P.P.S.: Kcoar, I would appreciate it if you would PM me about displaying my posts like that in the future. I don't like having my work shown without my permission. It may be your forum, but it is still my work, and it feels like you're saying, "Look at this guy, his posts are a perfect example of a total beginner." I do not wish to garner such a reputation, when I have made many high-quality posts in the past.

[kcoar]

EDIT 2: Here's an idea. Turn the post count back on in the Beginner's threads and remove "Beginner's" from the name. That way, we don't feel like we're being spat on, yet still have a way to reward RPs of a higher caliber.

P.S.: I must question your proposal to remove the rep system. Many of us have worked hard to get our rep up to where it is, we don't deserve to be punished by having all that thrown away.

P.P.S.: Kcoar, I would appreciate it if you would PM me about displaying my posts like that in the future. I don't like having my work shown without my permission. It may be your forum, but it is still my work, and it feels like you're saying, "Look at this guy, his posts are a perfect example of a total beginner." I do not wish to garner such a reputation, when I have made many high-quality posts in the past.
I was showing off a high quality post in the beginners section it was meant as a way of praise of sorts.

You're welcome.

[Hawkflight]

*reads again*

Aha, apologies. I misread it. I probably shouldn't be posting at 3 AM.... ^_^;;

[Kurzar]

Dael I'd like to IM you about my feelings on this new post count stuff and the beginner/advanced change. It's made me feel like leaving F2F sadly.

[folix]

Why not put up a poll to see what everyone thinks (and post the link here). If a lot of furs don't like how you want to use the post count system/new layout, then the only thing you are doing is ticking furs off. This means that your change may be having a negative effect on the F2F community.

As with business feedback, only a few people will actually complain when they get ticked off. In large business, 1 complaint somethings represents over 100 people upset about the same issue. I don't know what the ratio is here.

Here is my question, if this is such a great idea, then why don't I see lots of posts in this thread of furs who are estadic about the change?

[Darkreaper]

Dael I'd like to IM you about my feelings on this new post count stuff and the beginner/advanced change. It's made me feel like leaving F2F sadly.

Why not put up a poll to see what everyone thinks (and post the link here). If a lot of furs don't like how you want to use the post count system/new layout, then the only thing you are doing is ticking furs off. This means that your change may be having a negative effect on the F2F community.

As with business feedback, only a few people will actually complain when they get ticked off. In large business, 1 complaint somethings represents over 100 people upset about the same issue. I don't know what the ratio is here.

Here is my question, if this is such a great idea, then why don't I see lots of posts in this thread of furs who are estadic about the change? For what it matters I agree with both Folix and Kurzar here. My rping has been limited and I am not one of the elite on this site; however I feel that this system will only upset and drive away furs. Just from seeing the effect this has had in one rp I am in I can say it will destroy the fun F2F of years past. How can posts be determined good or bad unless its by the rpers themselves? To quote a friend "I thought we are here for our pleasure not someone elses". If MODS and ADMINS get to choose who's posts are good all that will show is who is favorited and who isn't. I am sad to say if that is allowed to happen i foresee at least 1/4 of the board leaving and about 1/2 the remaining players never getting out of the 'we suck' section. I have yet to meet one fur that wasn't an ADMIN or MOD whom thought this was a good idea. Please post a note and tell everyone to vote in the poll. Its only proper that F2F is here for the furs so they, we, should be the ones to decide.

[kcoar]

Holy fucking shit stop acting like we have huge expectations.


ALL WE ASK IS DECENT SPELLING AND GRAMMAR and more description. A paragraph is more than enough. ANYONE can get in the advanced section. We're just sick and tired of one liners. Why should people be awarded post count for saying "rubs her nipples and thrusts into her deeply"?

we're in general cracking down on shitposting. Simple as that.

We're working to increase the overall skill of the board, hence the bootcamp section. So don't act or complain that we aren't trying to help. We're giving you guys tools to work with. We gave y'all on OOC board to discuss storylines, and a section to train. What else do you guys want? We only do this with the wishes for a better roleplay community in mind.

And if you're bitter your roleplays aren't being put in advanced, then TALK TO US. Seriously, the yiffy RP section hasd COUNTLESS THREADS and for the task to be placed on SOLEY 3 or 4 mods and maybe an admin or two is ridiculous. We can't help you guys if you guys won't cooperate.

[Darkreaper]

Holy fucking shit stop acting like we have huge expectations.


ALL WE ASK IS DECENT SPELLING AND GRAMMAR and more description. A paragraph is more than enough. ANYONE can get in the advanced section. We're just sick and tired of one liners. Why should people be awarded post count for saying "rubs her nipples and thrusts into her deeply"?

we're in general cracking down on shitposting. Simple as that.

We're working to increase the overall skill of the board, hence the bootcamp section. So don't act or complain that we aren't trying to help. We're giving you guys tools to work with. We gave y'all on OOC board to discuss storylines, and a section to train. What else do you guys want? We only do this with the wishes for a better roleplay community in mind.

And if you're bitter your roleplays aren't being put in advanced, then TALK TO US. Seriously, the yiffy RP section hasd COUNTLESS THREADS and for the task to be placed on SOLEY 3 or 4 mods and maybe an admin or two is ridiculous. We can't help you guys if you guys won't cooperate.Firstly i do not live in the yiffy section. I do not believe in the one liners 'rubs her nipples' and all that. To that point I will agree. What is being said is that MODS and ADMINS should not have the power to say who is better then who. Human nature tells alot about this. If an rper were to piss you off he could post Shakespeare and still not shit for it. I don't want to hear we don't promote favoritism, because its something that happens naturally. If a handful of people are allowed to control the decision then it will be a bias unfair post count. Plus I do believe that it still should be the choice of EVERYONE here and not some person like you whom is 'better' then me merely due to standing in the eyes of certain people. Let all the furs decide Castro. If we are rping here we should have the say of what we feel is good. Why the hell would anyone come here to rp as to make you happy? If we wanted to live by your say of what is good we would have Kcoarisawesome.com to rp upon. If only higher ups decide what is good then what is the point of trying to have a good time by joining an rp? If you wanted to launch a bleach rp but you thought the story behind it wasn't very good people's posts wouldn't count? You would then have to study up on alot of things for rps and use that knowledge fairly to decide who's posts are good. Can this really be done in a fair manner? I think not. Put up the poll and you will see what we furs think. O and by the way notice the good post without a single cuss word.

[kcoar]

Firstly i do not live in the yiffy section. I do not believe in the one liners 'rubs her nipples' and all that. To that point I will agree. What is being said is that MODS and ADMINS should not have the power to say who is better then who.


And we're not saying whose better than who. Where do you see that? It's not invitation only. It's open to anyone. So there's no dictation whatsoever with that.

Human nature tells alot about this. If an rper were to piss you off he could post Shakespeare and still not shit for it. I don't want to hear we don't promote favoritism, because its something that happens naturally. If a handful of people are allowed to control the decision then it will be a bias unfair post count. Plus I do believe that it still should be the choice of EVERYONE here and not some person like you whom is 'better' then me merely due to standing in the eyes of certain people. Let all the furs decide Castro. If we are rping here we should have the say of what we feel is good. Why the hell would anyone come here to rp as to make you happy? If we wanted to live by your say of what is good we would have Kcoarisawesome.com to rp upon. If only higher ups decide what is good then what is the point of trying to have a good time by joining an rp? If you wanted to launch a bleach rp but you thought the story behind it wasn't very good people's posts wouldn't count?

Speaking as a person, without remotely referring to my modlyness go fuck yourself. I don't roleplay anymore, so I can't even begin to dictate what is good and what is not. We're NOT JUDGING STORIES. We're judging ability to be able to paint an image with words. I find that kcoarisawesome.com bit offensive and uncalled for.

This was not my decision. This was made as a whole by the mod and admin team, and I'm very much in favor with this, that does not mean I will take the slag for your complaints, I will defend them, but I do not appreciate personal attacks.

The mod team does not sit through every RP and read each story expecting the greatest fucking thing ever. If it has a story to begin with, then it alone deserved to be in the advanced section because again, you're not just aimlessly typing to get your dick wet or to pass the time. You're making a point blank solid effort to show that you have writing skills. Anyone can do that.

You would then have to study up on alot of things for rps and use that knowledge fairly to decide who's posts are good. Can this really be done in a fair manner? I think not. Put up the poll and you will see what we furs think.

We have Idesin on our team who is, as I'd like to think a figurehead of the RP community.

[Darkreaper]

And we're not saying whose better than who. Where do you see that? It's not invitation only. It's open to anyone. So there's no dictation whatsoever with that.



Speaking as a person, without remotely referring to my modlyness go fuck yourself. I don't roleplay anymore, so I can't even begin to dictate what is good and what is not. We're NOT JUDGING STORIES. We're judging ability to be able to paint an image with words. I find that kcoarisawesome.com bit offensive and uncalled for.

This was not my decision. This was made as a whole by the mod and admin team, and I'm very much in favor with this, that does not mean I will take the slag for your complaints, I will defend them, but I do not appreciate personal attacks.

The mod team does not sit through every RP and read each story expecting the greatest fucking thing ever. If it has a story to begin with, then it alone deserved to be in the advanced section because again, you're not just aimlessly typing to get your dick wet or to pass the time. You're making a point blank solid effort to show that you have writing skills. Anyone can do that.



We have Idesin on our team who is, as I'd like to think a figurehead of the RP community.
Well then let me say sorry i meant none of it to hurt your feelings. I merely wished to convey my thoughts tat I do not believe someone should tell me whether my posting is good or not when they arent within the rp itself. Secondly Idesin is in charge of an rp I am in so I know who he is. To think he would be able to have such knowledge and oversight on everything rp is just insane. Idesin is trying to rp, mod and go to school and is at best limited in time he has left. I see the reason behind your ideas as an Admin team. I will be the first to say its a good idea but in its current form i do not believe it will or should last. There are alot of things to take in when we are talking about rping and deeming good posts. I am not saying take the idea and burn it by any means here. I am merely saying it needs work before being brought forth onto the forum. I would again like to say sorry for the Kcoarisawesome.com but it was the only way i thought of to convey my thoughts on someone being removed from the people but yet telling them what they should be doing.

[Mestopho]

Whoa whoa whoa.

FIRST OF ALL. If you are RP'ing, just to have a good time, why the hell does post count matter? Most of the RP'ers on the boards don't venture off that part of the forum. We're trying to get people to come to other parts of the boards. Please, if you have a problem with the way things are being done, PM an admin and express your concerns. Name calling and threatening to leave the boards is very immature. I'm going to lock this thread for now, let everyone cool down, and I'll unlock it later.

[Tux]

Personally I say that I support the fact that at least some of the RP sections wont have their posts counted. Personally I’d go for the whole thing but that’s just because I’m of the mind that regardless of how great your furry wet dreams are written they really don’t contribute to anything on the board. Also and this might help prevent the people with like 20K posts that no one on the regular parts of the forum has ever even fucking seen before making absurd posts that make me ashamed to know the exist.

Then, since they so slaughter the English language I have to be mean and hurtful too them, which in turn hurts their over indulged egos and makes them cry. Then they call me mean names which makes me laugh and tell them how utterly pathetic I find them and the cycle starts all over again. Though I have to admit seeing the crying and whining that’s going on now because of this is amusing. I guess that’s what happens when you poke slugs with a stick dipped in salt though. At least I got to watch them wiggle around some.

[Zidders]

*sigh* Well thought-out diatrab there, Tux. You managed to not only make a post that has absolutely no usefull content or merit, but you also managed to lump yourself in with the very same crowd you're attempting to disparage. Bravo, that was pretty impressive.

Back to subject...i've done a lot of thinking. Maybe we should give the new system a try. After all...when it comes to being creative and writing from the heart, post counts really DON'T matter. Who cares. As long as we're having fun and enjoying the threads we're in, what does it matter what anyone else outside the thread thinks of it? If it ends up being even MORE work for the mods, then it falls on them and not us, right?

In the end, people are going post what they post. Sometimes you are in the mood to make an effort, and sometimes you end up with a short post...and that can take some effort sometimes, too. Shakespear didn't always write plays...some of his short sonnets are among the most beloved pieces of writing in history, and some of the lines from his plays have ended up part of our vernacular, even amongst those of us who might not have read the plays they're from. The lines themselves say so much.

[Tux]

*sigh* Well thought-out diatrab there, Tux. You managed to not only make a post that has absolutely no usefull content or merit, but you also managed to lump yourself in with the very same crowd you're attempting to disparage. Bravo, that was pretty impressive.

Eh, you fucking kidding me? I couldn’t be lumped in with a group of people if I tired. I’d probably end up killing and cannibalizing them all just so I don’t have to listen to them anymore.

[Meclio]

Eh, you fucking kidding me? I couldn’t be lumped in with a group of people if I tired. I’d probably end up killing and cannibalizing them all just so I don’t have to listen to them anymore.

If you ask me old boy, I'd say you'd fit in quite well with a bunch of people who'd say the same damn thing :P and trust me, there are such people.

Anyway...

If you're going to make posts not count due to lack of content and contributing it makes more sense to me to base it off of character count. If it isn't at least a certain number then don't count it-- regardless of where it is placed. Of course, that would negatively impact image based threads I s'pose.

Really, it feels like a degree of discrimination against those that stick to the RPs. I get that you're trying to get people to not just hang out there, but what if that's all they want? Should they not deserve some status in their circles? What about other people that hang out only in one area? It's fine if they do, but not the RPers? And what's this about games not counting anymore? That's encouraging people to have a go at them, eh? Keep the community rounded with some fun?

Besides, if you want people to explore other areas is the best way really to alienate them? Personally, I know me and I know I'd resent this sort of thing. A lot.

And, someone else made a good point that I read yesterday. They said that they use that post count to help find reliable RPers, AKA people who will be around more than a week, people who will reply at least semi-frequently.

Don't get me wrong, I want to bash in the skulls of unintelligent people who can't type for shit or make extremely brief and uninteresting posts, and a lot of those people are RP people, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Tisk, tisk.

Also, I find it pretty shitty to consider short post RP beginner level. I've seen great examples of long and short and I've seen bad examples of both as well, surely you're not implying that bigger is always better? With short post you can do more 'interaction' and not overrun someone's character or idea. Short post can also be quite vital to a fair combat scenario. I often find myself combining short and long posts to be honest.

I don't think anyone else has done this, but I've been considering (when I have my computer back up) doing a fusion of online RP and dice rolling, that's a bit hard to do without being fairly brief usually. Doesn't make it 'beginner', if anything, adding dice rolling and stats would make it more advanced.

So, these are my thoughts *shrug* you can say that post count doesn't matter, but to some people it does, some for legitimate reasons. And if it doesn't matter, why take it away? Eh?

[Ilez Aji]

Ack a paragraph isn't less than or more than a paragraph. Eek! I fit in nowherez. :shock:

Heh, nah I feel it's a pretty good idea. I remember even as recently as September (my last visist before this latest activity spree) I'd have to either wade through a good deal of mediocre RPs or just go to the reservation section if I didn't want a partner one-lining everything. Of course pretty much all of the RPs I participated in that weren't started by Pen/Indrid were as Kcoar so bluntly put it "furry wet dreams" (Hehe... *Giggle*). It's good that we have a system in place to allow people who prefer one-liners and one that rewards decently sized posts or (though hopefully 'and' instead of 'or', but hey we all get cravings) interesting stories.

[prettylilpup]

I'm glad to see this. My first experience with the role play section here, I was turned off by the one-line, bad grammar postings, and quit out of frustration.

If anyone wants a good role play with a story, I'm game. ;-)

[TigerIsoyami]

This should be interesting. I'm an older member, and this is my second or third restructuring of the RP section, as I recall. I'd like to see how it works out.

I'll be honest. I mostly come to this board for the rp, and I've been seeing a general decline in that. It's a bit disheartening actually. I once was active in the RP section, but I doubt if most people will remember me, because life got in the way and I had to hibernate for a while. And then a while turned into a couple of years.

I had heard about this big forum crash after I came back, but I didn't know what happened. I'm still a little fuzzy on it. I'm just glad that I saved some of my old threads on my hard disk, as I have a copy of my posts, even if they aren't on the boards anymore.

I've also seen a lot of good role player's that I once knew leave the boards. Some of them I keep in touch with, some I've lost touch. But its been too long, I don't who the good players anymore. And reading too many bad RP's have left me bitter and cynical, I'm afraid. And I don't like it. =\

But I'm not giving up just yet. I may not post very much, but writing is in my blood, and its not something I can just stop doing. I tried, and it sucked way, way too much.

Another point. Sometimes I do write to enjoy a good, detailed story with an interesting plot, and sometimes I just want to yiff and have a wet dream. It happens to everyone. But I'd like to think that my detailed story posting occurs more often then my short, yiff posting. I'd also like to think that even my short yiff posting is kind of good. ;)

Oh. I do want to mention, that I have done and can do paragraph RPs on AIM, I dont know why people think IM posting is just one liners. Its about the people who RP, not the channels they do it through. And I dont know that many good people anymore. =\ =\

[Daelyhel Axon]

Tiger, I remember you and sadly we are a fading memory to the world of Roleplaying. When we got into it, it was a matter of telling stories and to express so much of oneself, feelings, emotions. Sadly now so many want a quick fix now than something worth a little extra time and effort.

[Meclio]

Y'know, I'm very much for what T.I. and Dael are saying, I would love that sort of thing. Given more time I'm sure I'd like to have a few such things going.

Still, I question this being the best way to do it. Really doesn't sit right with me. It boils down to...

1) Post counts (say what you will, just isn't right.)

2) Calling short post 'beginner' (seen clear examples of bad and good for both)

3) The fact that I often see/am a part of an interlacing of short and long posts

[Kurzar]

I think many might be happier if instead of 'beginner' it was called like 'casual' or something. That way it's RP but maybe a bit more laid back :)

[kcoar]

I think many might be happier if instead of 'beginner' it was called like 'casual' or something. That way it's RP but maybe a bit more laid back :)
That could work. We don't mean any offense by marking it beginner and advanced.

[Meclio]

That would be most agreeable. I'm not really against the breaking down of it all, I'd just sort of resent the term.

Short-Post, Long-Post. Casual, Serious. Whatever works.

I'm still curious about what happens with a combining of shorter with longer though. What do you guys do then? Leave it where the most common type of post lies?

[kcoar]

Yes. Sometimes there's not much you can write in response to a post (which is what stresses me out about roleplays.

If theres like 4 or 5 3 sentence replies, that's not a big deal as long as the general length is a good paragraph or two.

[Kurzar]

That could work. We don't mean any offense by marking it beginner and advanced.

Advanced is ok I think because it's more hardcore. I think where people are having issues is just the 'beginner'? I can't speak for everyone but just maybe changing it to casual might fix a lot of the feelings behind the new thread change ^.^

[Kipper0308]

YES. This is awesome, and I've wanted this kinda thing implemented for a while, actually. I am a writer. My posts in roleplay topics tend to be five hundred to six hundred words on a relatively bad day, and a thousand on good ones.

-cackles and runs off to wait till he has permissions to post-

[Daelyhel Axon]

Changing it to Casual sounds like a wonderful Idea and we will get to work on this shortly. Thank you Kurzar. *Bows*

[Studley Destiny]

I think many might be happier if instead of 'beginner' it was called like 'casual' or something. That way it's RP but maybe a bit more laid back :)

Changing it to Casual sounds like a wonderful Idea and we will get to work on this shortly. Thank you Kurzar. *Bows*

A brilliant mind and a good heart. Certainly the qualities needed in a new moderator:grin:

[Hawkflight]

So would it be Casual and Advanced, or Casual and Serious? I think the latter ties in better, but that's just my opinion.

[Daelyhel Axon]

It will be staying as Casual and Advance. There should not be mixed feelings on this at all. There are many things that within society that will make the same distinction.

[Meclio]

:3 like gaming.

Hmm, yep. I'd say it's all rather settled in my head now that Koze made that clarification and that minor change was made.

Still don't really like the posts not counting with the games and casual RP though. I strongly feel that a character count based system would be the best and most fair, even if it can not be implemented right now.

I'd just hate to think a good game or casual post wouldn't count while 'Being bored while browsing...' or something like that would count.

[TigerIsoyami]

I don't know how I feel about this whole "RP posts not going towards your post count" thing, as most of my posts are RP posts. I suppose I can live with it, as I don't really go by post count as a metric, I look for other things.

As for changing it to "Casual" and "Advanced", I fully support the idea. Sounds good, and it should be easier for people to get the hang of.

[Kurzar]

Oh Dael, I noticed one of the casual signup boards still says 'beginner' or at least it did late last night, the others had been changed already ^.^

[Daelyhel Axon]

:3 like gaming.

Hmm, yep. I'd say it's all rather settled in my head now that Koze made that clarification and that minor change was made.

Still don't really like the posts not counting with the games and casual RP though. I strongly feel that a character count based system would be the best and most fair, even if it can not be implemented right now.

I'd just hate to think a good game or casual post wouldn't count while 'Being bored while browsing...' or something like that would count.
Zero... Read everything and you would know why we can not do a character count aspect....
Oh Dael, I noticed one of the casual signup boards still says 'beginner' or at least it did late last night, the others had been changed already ^.^Fixing

[Meclio]

Zero... Read everything and you would know why we can not do a character count aspect....

*quirks an eyebrow*

I strongly feel that a character count based system would be the best and most fair, even if it can not be implemented right now.

*grin* maybe if you read a bit more into detail you'd realize I already had. I simply do not support the current system.

[Daelyhel Axon]

Once again... Read... :P We are trying to get it but we can not at this time. IE What I am trying to have you understand that this is something we trying to do. But we can not at this time. But that does not mean we will not continue. :P

[Meclio]

:P Oi. I already got that, or something quite close. I was just expressing my dislike of the current choice (finding nothing done better than what is being done) and endorsing that option.

[themnax]

i don't have a better answer, at least at the moment, to the problem this is trying to solve. but i'm not comfortable with it, any more then i was with the previous, and i don't have a whole lot of expectation of it doing so.

the more the straitjacket of formality, the more imagination and creativity are inhibited.

i can see where this has been recognized and acknowledged and that much is a step in the right direction.

i would like to see a rollplay 'sandbox' where the only discipline is consistency with perceived intent of context. where only blatant indifference to it is excluded.

i can see, and would prefer to avoid, where hares could be split over that too.

i would prefer to play in a world/universe, anyone could jump in and out of at will, but one very much other then what any of us are familiar with being surrounded by.

and that would include cultural and social morays as well as tangible aspects of individual appearance and natural and material surroundings.

[Heyoka]

I'm grateful that there are beginner and advanced RP forums. However, it's my humble opinion that the distinction between the two is too vast. On one hand, you have the beginner section. Here you have people posting one-line posts and some people are using horrendous grammar and spelling. Sometimes punctuation is neglected. In the beginner yiffy section, little attention is paid to storyline, and it's not long before everyone's having sex with everyone.

On the other hand, you have the advanced section, where multiple paragraphs are required, spelling and grammar are at least decent (from what I've read), and there's more storyline in the yiffy section. However, there's far less activity in this section compared to the beginner sections. Part of this, I think, is that the forums go from "one-line posts are ok, grammar and spelling optional" to "multiple paragraphs, details, storyline". It's a huge jump.

I find myself being turned off RP altogether because I loathe the atrocious grammar and spelling and lack of character and plot development in the beginner section, but the advanced section is daunting because I've only participated in 2 RPs (and I haven't even written much in those two). Personally, I feel there should be an intermediate section or the standards of the advanced RP section should be lowered. Or the beginner section's standards could be raised. I'm not sure if I'm the only one who feels this way, but this is what I feel and what I have observed.

[Kurzar]

I've stopped RP'ing in the casual section. I enjoy storyline and yes YIFF but tired of wham bam thank you man. I also prefer more detailed posts but when I'm giving more of myself in a post and not getting it back as well as not having my post count due to the other person I felt it just better to refuse to RP in that section. I'm in like 2 RP's as everyone from my others seemed to disappear.

[Idesin]

Just to clarify - right now, the standards in the advance section are lower than they seems. So try your best, and if either me or Chrissy can be competent enough to find your thread, it will probably get moved!

[Hawkflight]

So wait. So all threads start out in the casual section, then get bumped to the advanced section if they're so worthy?

[TigerIsoyami]

As far as I understand it, anyone can start a thread in either of the two sections. Then if a mod thinks that is in the wrong section, then it will be moved. Right?

Also, the Advanced RP section has a requirement of 2 paragraphs per post, those some people put up more. In my opinion, two paragraphs isn't that hard, come on.

You guys are right, I've also had problems with lack of activity and people dropping out of threads. I'm afraid I'm as guilty of that as anyone else, RL has started biting me with a vengeance now.

[Meclio]

Two paragraphs?? I thought it was one. Two seems like a bit of a heavy requirement.

Heh, but maybe that's becasue I just tend to make one large paragraph.

[Kurzar]

Also, the Advanced RP section has a requirement of 2 paragraphs per post, those some people put up more. In my opinion, two paragraphs isn't that hard, come on.




Ok where did it say 2 paragrphs minimum? Cause Koze said earlier in either this thread or another about what was expected she said only ONE paragraph minimum was all they expected. I do prefer more than that myself but when some are giving different rules than others this is becoming confusing as shit to me x.x

Pardon if I am a tad grumpy sounding I just got done paying a 5" stack of bills *sighs*

[TigerIsoyami]

Please try to elaborate on your post here or if you wish they can be moved to beginner

Advanced
This category is more restrictive. Are you an RP vet? Want more substance in your stories? Like to make multiple paragraph responses in great detail? Then please post here! RP rules are strictly enforced here. One-Line posts will be deleted. You must write responses in paragraphs. Posts that do not follow the Advanced Rules will be deleted! Posts here will not reflect on your post count.

I'm saying two paragraphs, because that is what I understood from chrissybutt's post in one thread that I'm running.

I could be wrong and I think I missed Koze's earlier post.

A mod's input would be very welcome.

For me, the definition of "paragraph" is pretty flexible, I've done chunks of sentences that where anywhere from 3 to 6 or 7 lines long. As long as the sentences are unified in some way, then a chunk of them becomes a paragraph.

Of course, High School English was a long time ago, and I think I've forgotten half of it. Lulz.

[Equium]

It's worth considering that a three line paragraph in the reply box is normally only one line on the forum, and anything between six and seven lines may only emerge as a couple of lines. I think people may be looking at the reply boxes and deciding that their 12 line paragraph is more than enough, when in fact, it's "only" 7 lines of forum. Caught me out once or twice in non-RPs.

[Meclio]

A paragraph is a paragraph. To my knowledge the standard paragraph has at least 3 sentences.

As for what Chrissy said I'd have to point out that she probably meant 'paragraphs' as in all posts should be in paragraph form, rather than have to be multiple paragraphs.

[Heyoka]

Just to clarify - right now, the standards in the advance section are lower than they seems. So try your best, and if either me or Chrissy can be competent enough to find your thread, it will probably get moved!

If the standards are lower than they seem, shouldn't the rules reflect that? I'm concerned about getting someone's thread moved to casual because I can only come up with a few sentences.

It's worth considering that a three line paragraph in the reply box is normally only one line on the forum, and anything between six and seven lines may only emerge as a couple of lines. I think people may be looking at the reply boxes and deciding that their 12 line paragraph is more than enough, when in fact, it's "only" 7 lines of forum. Caught me out once or twice in non-RPs.

That seems like a lot to write, to me anyway. I'm not sure I can write 12 lines of "Heyoka quivered at the sight of his veiny manhood" or whatever.

I've read a bit more of the advanced section, and it seems to range from one paragraph posts to borderline college essay (ok, maybe not that long). So, one paragraph is okay right now? :S

[TigerIsoyami]

That's a very good point, Equium.

I remember -way- back, when what you typed in the post box, looked roughly like what came out in the actual post. so a paragraph of text in the box and the post looked about the same.

Now, a line of text gets way stretched out, and its about half or one third as long in the post as it is in the typing box.

So it does change the views of paragraphs a bit. But, I think the definition of a chunk of unified sentences separated by space still holds for a paragraph. (Probably because I'm stealing it from somewhere. ))

Personally, I blame the TV's switch to the new widescreen format. Bring back the old 4:3 boxes, I say. ;)

[Daelyhel Axon]

So wait. So all threads start out in the casual section, then get bumped to the advanced section if they're so worthy?
No, all the old threads are there currently and being pulled into Advance as we get to them.

But with the new forums, you can create a brand new thread in the Advance boards anytime at your desire. Because you are all worthy of making a post anywhere...



Now as to the paragraph aspect. It is a matter really of the depth you wish to place within the RP that they will be looking for... Like, allow me to give an example.



Coming home after a long days of work, the old wolf was happy to be home and looking to spend time with his loves. Opening the front door, he notices that the lights were all turned off. While a faint glow issues from the stairwell down to the basement. Ears folding back as the wolf begins to sniff the air with more focus. A scent issues forth to his imitate pleasure, as his desire begins to raise and his heart skips a beat. Taking his keys and placing them on the mantel. Beginning to remove his clothing as he makes his way to the stairwell. Unbuttoning his shirt and unlatching his belt. Stepping down the stairwell to the basement, an herbal and floral scent begins to take over. As the sound of water splashing slightly from simple play and some small whispers. Removing his pants and throwing them casually within the corner the old wolf's grin grows ever more. Knowing soon he will be able to enjoy some time with his beloved loves. The flicker of the faint glow from the bathroom giving a tall tell sign that candles are lighting the large bath. Stepping within the doorway, the old wolf notices both his loves, covered in bubbles in their large bath. Looking into their eyes, Liavain's emerald blue eyes glimmering as the flames creating stars. His maw opening as his tongue sticks slightly out with a wolfish grin. Looking over to Fox, with his almost glowing hazelnut brown eyes matching his gaze as his grin grows larger. Both of them holding each other close as the wolf walks into the bath wanting and desire as he slowly slips off his underwear....


That is all one... If you do that, it will be acceptable. But even taking the same wording and just adding a space...

Coming home after a long days of work, the old wolf was happy to be home and looking to spend time with his loves. Opening the front door, he notices that the lights were all turned off. While a faint glow issues from the stairwell down to the basement. Ears folding back as the wolf begins to sniff the air with more focus. A scent issues forth to his imitate pleasure, as his desire begins to raise and his heart skips a beat. Taking his keys and placing them on the mantel. Beginning to remove his clothing as he makes his way to the stairwell. Unbuttoning his shirt and unlatching his belt. Stepping down the stairwell to the basement, an herbal and floral scent begins to take over. As the sound of water splashing slightly from simple play and some small whispers. Removing his pants and throwing them casually within the corner the old wolf's grin grows ever more. Knowing soon he will be able to enjoy some time with his beloved loves.

The flicker of the faint glow from the bathroom giving a tall tell sign that candles are lighting the large bath. Stepping within the doorway, the old wolf notices both his loves, covered in bubbles in their large bath. Looking into their eyes, Liavain's emerald blue eyes glimmering as the flames creating stars. His maw opening as his tongue sticks slightly out with a wolfish grin. Looking over to Fox, with his almost glowing hazelnut brown eyes matching his gaze as his grin grows larger. Both of them holding each other close as the wolf walks into the bath wanting and desire as he slowly slips off his underwear....


I now have two paragraphs as well becomes a bit easier to read. ~.^

That's a very good point, Equium.

I remember -way- back, when what you typed in the post box, looked roughly like what came out in the actual post. so a paragraph of text in the box and the post looked about the same.

Now, a line of text gets way stretched out, and its about half or one third as long in the post as it is in the typing box.

So it does change the views of paragraphs a bit. But, I think the definition of a chunk of unified sentences separated by space still holds for a paragraph. (Probably because I'm stealing it from somewhere. ))

Personally, I blame the TV's switch to the new widescreen format. Bring back the old 4:3 boxes, I say. ;)

That was because of an update to the program we use to run the boards. It made the size of the window as it is and sadly not much we can do to fix it at this time.

Just to clarify - right now, the standards in the advance section are lower than they seems. So try your best, and if either me or Chrissy can be competent enough to find your thread, it will probably get moved!

Talk to me about this please....